21 September 2002/Transcript

This is a transcription of the 21 September 2002 episode, from Xfm Series 2

Inarticulate Brain-Damaged Old Drunk

Ricky: Feeder, “Come Back Around” on XFM, 104.9. You’re listening to Ricky Gervais.

Steve: Yeah. I’m with him as well, Steve Merchant.

Ricky: Thinking of dropping that.

Steve: What?

Ricky: Thinking of dropping that. Just going- cause it’s just too- it's all that, “I’m Ricky Gervais, with me, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington.” Too--

Ricky snaps fingers

Ricky: You know what I mean, get to the music. “Hi, I’m Ricky Gervais. This is XFM!”

Steve: Sure.

Ricky: “Here’s Radiohead!”

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Something like- coming out of, “That was Radiohead. XFM. I’m Ricky Gervais. Tony Blair, what’s he all about?”

Steve: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ricky: That sort of--

Steve: Snappier.

Ricky: I want it fast. Cause I quite- on a serious note and you’ve always been saying it, um, I listened to an old show cause when Karl was compiling those things, I listened to an old show. And I listened to me and I’m-I’m really concentrating now because I sounded like the most inarticulate, brain damaged old drunk--

Steve chuckles

Ricky: I’ve ever heard giving a show.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: I mean, I was shocked. Not finishing sentences, leaving out words, slurring, just doing noises that you understand cause you know me.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: So I’m really going to make an effort for the listener.

Steve: Yeah. It’s not going to happen, is it? You’re going to give up after about three records.

Ricky: But I thought you were joking. And I thought it was like, “Oh, he’s taking the”- there. Did it then, you see?

Steve: Again. I don’t know quite what that sentence meant.

Ricky: No, but--

Steve: Of course, I’ve got also your body language and your facial gestures, but obviously the listeners have got nothing. They’ve just got the voice.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: They’ve just got the voice, Rick. That’s all they’ve got. That’s all they can rely on.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: And, uh, and when Karl Pilkington is the man holding the show together, that’s quite damning.

Ricky: When he’s the most articulate.

Steve: Exactly. Exactly.

Karl: How did I come across?

Ricky: You came across as lovely. I mean, I-I did an interview yesterday, alright, and I was trying to describe you to this journalist and I was going, “It’s like a cat can talk”.

Steve: Mmm.

Ricky: Cause the things you say, I just want to know what your world is. You know when a cat comes in, you go, “Where have you been?” and it looks at you like, you know, it can nearly understand you. And you went, “Oh, wonderful. I’d love to know what that cat thinks” and with you, it’s almost like we’ve got one.

Steve: Yeah. Yeah.

Ricky: Did you like that?

Steve: You can also lick your own testicles, I think, can’t you?

Ricky giggles

Steve: So, you know.

Ricky: Should we play the Doves?

Song: Doves- Caught by the River

Ordinance Survey Map

Ricky: Doves, “Caught by the River” on XFM 104.9. You’re listening to Ricky Gervais.

Steve chuckles

Ricky: Welcome. Are we having a lovely Saturday?

Steve: Were you asked to appear on “Celebrity Fat Club”?

Ricky: No. I- uh, no I wasn’t.

Steve: Was there any- was-was there, seriously. Did an invite come in?

Ricky: No, I don’t think they did. I-I knew about it and I was waiting for the call.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: And I was going to be insulted, but it didn’t come.

Steve: Didn’t come. How much are you looking forward to it? I’m quite excited about it. I really am.

Ricky: I am excited about it, yeah.

Steve: I don’t think people know- are you aware of this, Karl? It’s this “Celebrity Fat Club”. It’s a new, uh, one of those reality shows. It’s ten celebrities, I think. They’re all overweight, uh, and they’ve got to lose weight over the course of the series.

Ricky: And they’re, um, and they’re celebrities.

Steve: And they’re celebrities.

Ricky: That’s why they call it that.

Steve: “Celebrity Fat Club”.

Karl: So who’ve they got?

Steve: Well, I’ve very excited because one of them is- you know that guy who was in “Pop Idol”, but didn’t win in the end. That really big, fat guy. Rick Waller. Fats Waller, as I call him. And, uh, I was reading about him on the, in the, on the web, earlier. Um, it says, uh, he’s been told to lose seventeen stone cause they reckon he might be dead by the age forty if he doesn’t lose weight, seriously.

Ricky: How old is he now?

Steve: I don’t know how old he is. He’s only in his twenties, isn’t he?

Ricky: Well, that’s still a good twenty years of cake eating!

Steve: But it says, uh, “He was shocked to learn he weighed thirty-one stone when he stepped on the scales at the start of the show”.

Ricky: Thirty-one stone!?

Steve: Thirty-one stone. But I like the fact--

Ricky: That’s really big.

Steve: I like the fact that he said he was shocked to find he weighed it.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: “I had no inclination!”

Ricky: “I had got-got-got- kept my eye off the ball, there.”

Steve chuckles

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: “That must be all those breakfasts.”

Steve: “I haven’t stood on the scales for years and I didn’t know how much I weighed,” Rick told The Sun.

Ricky: Thirty-one stone, right? That is having- that is, that is having a man on your back and carrying a man in your- just, basically two men going everywhere--

Steve: It is obscene. Cause he looks- have you seen him? He looks like one of those people that are wearing one of those inflatable Sumo outfits.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: He’s just a little head and, like, a sort of- oh.

Ricky: We’re not, we're not having a go at, um, fat people.

Steve: I’m having a go at him, Rick.

Ricky: Cause it might be glandular. It’s not. It’s greed.

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: Do you know what? I- this is true. When I- I did that “Room 101” and I did one they cut out completely. I don’t think they cut it out on taste, I think it was just too long. Um, and I- one of the ones I put in was fat people who say it’s glandular. Right? And they’d done the research and two percent of obese people can claim it’s glandular. The rest, they just eat too much.

Steve: Yeah. But the thing about Waller is he was going on there, going on the telly going, “It’s good- What a wonderful role model I am for people who don’t conform to the usual pop star, sort of, stereotype.” No, you’re not a role model for anyone! You are a fat, pig of a man. I’m sorry, mate.

Ricky: Hold on.

Steve: No, Rick. It is obscene.

Ricky: It’s not his weight that disturbs me more, it’s his gums.

Steve: Well.

Ricky: They are- have they been through a lot?

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Haven’t they? They have been through a lot.

Steve: The weight does concern me slightly. Did you- do you remember when he did his version of “I Will Always Love You”?

Karl: Yeah, but--

Steve: I thought he was just singing it at a buffet, or something.

Ricky laughs

Ricky: Yeah, outside a chip shop.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: “Go away, Mr. Waller!”

Steve: Yeah. “Just-just let me watch the kebab rotate once more.”

Ricky: “No!” “Can I lick the fat off the floor?” “No, you can‘t!”

Steve laughs

Ricky: I just imagine those people who run all you can eat buffets, when they hear him coming they shut the door.

Steve: It’s like one of those nineteen-twenty’s speakeasy. The front changes into a launderette.

Ricky laughs

Steve: “Just move on, Fats. It’s not--” “I can smell chip fat!” “No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Move on. On you go.”

Ricky: But, um, I mean, we’re not Olympic fat Brits. There are also fat- thirty-one stone is, sort of, quite big, but the American- that one, did you see that one? Seriously, we’ve talked about it before. That one on Jerry Springer and he was seventy-five stone. Did you see it?

Steve: Seventy-five stone?

Ricky: He was in his bed. Honestly, it looked like a, it looked like a, um, I don’t know. Sort of, molten lava.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: In his bed. And it was really- it was actually sad. And I was really sad cause he was, you know, he was in tears and he was going, “This is it. I’m going to do it.” and Jerry Springer took the wall down and they got him. They had to get him in a special ambulance and everything. But my point is this, right? When he got to, say, fifty stones, didn’t he go, “That’s a lot, innit?”?

Steve: “I’ve got to be careful.”

Ricky: “For a human.”

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: You know? For someone that lives on land--

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: That is, that is big. I’ll tell you- what the- I mean, the fact is they have to have special weighing equipments. So wasn’t that a clue?

Steve: That must have been.

Ricky: The fact that they had to get in someone from next door to lift it up a bit and tell him how much he weighed.

Steve: Yeah, yeah. The fact that he was listed on the Ordnance Survey map should have been a clue.

Ricky laughs

Steve: That it’s time--

Ricky: We’ve given you your own mayor.

Steve: Yeah. You are- yes.

Ricky: Stop--

Ricky and Steve: Eating!

Ricky: Oh…

Steve: Oh, man alive.

Song: Sugar- If I Can’t Change Your Mind

It Was the Cakes Again

Steve: Always amazing to hear that, isn't it Rick? It’s Sugar.

Ricky: That’s fantastic.

Steve: “If I Can’t Change Your Mind”

Ricky: That’s such a great tune.

Steve: I was listening to “Copper Blue”, the album from which that’s taken, again. It’s just fantastic. It really is.

Ricky: Old moldy.

Steve: Old moldy.

Ricky: Moldy old dough, as I call it.

Steve: Yeah, oh, exactly. Bob.

Ricky: You’ve got a real problem with Rick Waller, haven’t you?

Steve: I just- he-he turns my stomach.

Ricky: I know, but don’t-don’t--

Steve: Cause he’s arrogant, as well, though.

Ricky: Exactly.

Steve: That’s the problem.

Ricky: Explain to people that, you know--

Steve: No, he is a bit arrogant.

Ricky: It’s his whole thing that you- it's the whole package, so to speak, that you don’t like.

Steve: Yeah. Well, there’s another thing in his quite--

Ricky: It’s not just the fact that he eats too much.

Steve: He, uh, he-he tried, apparently, to lose some weight and, uh, it says, he said, “The first month I lost eleven pounds. The next, I lost a stone, but in the third my body did somersaults and I put on nine pounds. I had a slip up. I can’t say when, why or how, but it just sneaked up on me.”

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: I don’t believe it.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: Don’t believe it just sneaked up on him.

Ricky: That body’s never done a somersault in its life.

Steve: No. It just sneaked up on him.

Ricky: Yeah. I don’t--

Steve: It was the cakes again.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: It was the same old cakes as before. Exactly the same problem.

Ricky: Sleep eating, it’s called.

Steve: It was the KFC bucket again. The family-size KFC bucket.

Ricky: Oh, dear.

Steve: For breakfast.

Ricky: Poor man. The other thing is that the- I don’t think that’s a very good shock tactic for a doctor to tell a twenty-something, “Well, to be honest, you’ve got twenty years to live.”

Steve: Yeah. It doesn’t mean anything when you’re twenty.

Ricky: When I was twenty, the thought of dying at forty was fine.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: I didn’t want to live to forty. I just thought, “Oh, what can you do when you’re forty?”

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Just laying around, doing nothing.

Ricky and Steve: Eating cheese.

Steve: And then you got there and you discovered the dream came true.

Ricky: No, but someone sent me- Sophie, here, sent me something and she said, “I realize you’re not Graham Norton, but I had to send you this” and she sent me the top of a little cream cheesy thing and it’s-it’s, the brand name is Gervais.

Steve: How odd that is! They’ve named a cheese after you.

Ricky: I think it’s a big French company and this is from the Czech Republic. It’s all over Europe and so--

Steve: That would be a dream come true, wouldn’t it, if they named a cheese after you?

Ricky: No, I think it’s, I think it’s, uh, probably, you know, ancestors and so I’ve- cheese is in my blood.

Steve: Sure.

Ricky: Quite literally.

Steve: It literally is, yeah. Another heavy Friday night, was it?

Ricky: It comes out of pores like those Play Doh things. I can squeeze out different shapes by--

Steve: “Jane, bring the Stilton in. It’s Friday night.”

Ricky laughs

Steve: Oh, man alive.

Ricky: “This isn’t fried!”

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: But yeah. So, um, we can’t really have a go at Rick Waller. I-I-I-I eat too much, but--

Steve: Yeah, but you’re not big and then one of the other contestants on that, on the, uh, “Fat Club, Celebrity Fat Club”--

Ricky: Oh, he is doing it?

Steve: Is Jono, Jono Coleman.

Ricky: Oh, we love Jono.

Steve: Now, Jono is- I don’t know- you know Jono. He’s that guy that does, um, he used to be on TV and I think he does a breakfast show on a rival station, doesn’t he?

Ricky: He’s happy, isn’t he?

Steve: He’s-he’s- So true and he’s a really nice bloke, Jono, but--

Karl: It’s funny, cause he does a breakfast show on Heart, which is-is wreaking his own. There’s a bit of irony.

Ricky and Steve twitter

Ricky: I love Karl.

Steve: Thanks Karl.

Karl: Do you know what I mean?

Ricky: I love you.

Steve: I can see where you’re coming from.

Ricky: Yeah, that’s good.

Steve: But we’ve met Jono a couple of times. We saw him at a couple of, not wishing to show off, but couple of awards dos--

Ricky: Yeah. Like that’s showing off. There’s people wouldn’t be seen dead there.

Steve: Well, yeah, but we--

Steve chuckles

Steve: We went to one where everyone was in, like, tuxedos or suits and ties. Not Jono. Jono was wearing a pair of Bermuda shorts--

Ricky: Big Bermuda shorts.

Steve: And a Hawaiian shirt.

Ricky: Knee length Bermuda shorts with just these little--

Steve: But I saw him again, another time, and he had shorts on, a similar event and I’ve seen him since in the street and he’s- I don’t think- I’m wondering if he can wear trousers. I don’t think he can actually wear trousers. I don’t know if there’s a medical reason for that, whether he’s just, his legs are too fat.

Ricky: I think the material is a waste of money. I think it’s just that you can get shorts that big and they’re comfortable and, uh- I mean, to be quite honest, I don’t want to squeeze into a tuxedo anyway.

Steve: Mmm.

Ricky: So if you can go- I’d love to turn up to those things in Bermuda shorts!

Steve: Well, of course.

Ricky: Flip flops, you know--

Steve: But do you think he started off by wearing- maybe he just had the upper half was a tuxedo with the tie and the thing.

Ricky: And then the shorts for comfort.

Steve: And then the shorts underneath and he would just have to come in, kind of sneak behind a, you know, a sideboard--

Ricky: Potted plant.

Steve: Or potted plant or his kids, bring his kids ahead of him.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: You know, “You are wearing trousers, aren’t you?”

Ricky: “Yeah, of course I am! Yeah, yeah.”

Steve: “In you go, in you go”

Ricky: “Kids, move a minute.” “Well, no.”

Steve chuckles

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: “Of course I’m wearing trousers. Why would I--”

Steve: “Of course I’m wearing trousers!”

Ricky: And then he just thought, though, “This isn’t fooling anyone.”

Steve: “So now I’m going to make a wacky effort to sort of, you know--”

Ricky: The next Sony’s, I’ve heard he’s going in a grass skirt and garland around his- and he’s going to, he’s going to come in limboing.

Steve: But you-you did ask if you could go to The BAFTAs in a dressing gown, didn’t you?

Ricky: Just for ease.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Yeah. Go on then.

Karl: Right. There’s this- talking about diets and stuff, right?

Ricky: Go on.

Karl: They’ve come up with a drug that, um, they-they tested it out on a mouse, right? They said it’s a problem. Weight-weight is a big issue in the world and, you know, a lot of people are depressed. Probably, like Rick Waller.

Steve: Well, I’m depressed looking at Rick Waller.

Karl: Well, you know.

Ricky: Ohhh.

Karl: I mean, you could sort out Rick by, you know- Jono is an old man. He’s got loads of money--

Ricky: He’s not old!

Karl: No, but he’s getting on a bit, right?

Ricky: He’s about my age, you--

Karl: No! What I mean is he does his own shopping, right? So, I bet it’s hard--

Ricky: Sorry! What do you mean?

Karl: Because he’s like, uh- how old is he? Thirty-five. He’s got loads of money. He does his own shopping. So when he goes to the supermarket and he passes, you know, the-the sponge cake section, it must be tough when you’ve got loads of money to burn. That you go, “Oh, just one more.”

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: “One more.”

Ricky: No, just- sorry. We are getting close to libel, here, I think.

Karl: No, no, no! I’m saying how it is cause I’ve-I’ve tried, like, losing a little bit of weight.

Ricky: Have ya?

Karl: And it is difficult when you, you know, you’re in Waitrose and you see a little chocolate muffin and think, “Well, one more and I’ll do without.”

Ricky: Do you like a little chocolate muffin now and again?

Karl: Yeah. Right?

Ricky: Is that your favorite thing?

Karl: So the thing is--

Ricky: A chocolate muffin?

Steve: Let him finish his point.

Karl: So the thing is, right? Now with Rick, he lives at home with his mam. So why doesn’t his mam just say, “I’m going to buy less this week and if you eat it all, you’re not getting any more.”

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: That-that sort--

Ricky: Does he live with his mam?

Steve: A short, sharp shop.

Karl: I bet he does. I bet he does.

Steve: So you don’t actually know if this is true or not.

Ricky laughs

Karl: No, but-but anyway, right? So this-this drug they’ve come up with--

Steve: They tested this on mice, haven’t they?

Ricky continues to laugh

Steve: No, I’m just- I’m worried they haven’t test it on mice cause--

Ricky: Thank God for that.

Steve: It’s definitely been tested on mice?

Ricky: Definitely.

Karl: They fed a mouse a load of cake.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: Right?

Ricky giggles

Karl: And it went a little bit chubby and they said, “Right, stop a minute.”

Ricky laughs

Karl: And then they gave it this drug that makes you lose weight.

Steve: Yeah. Yeah.

Karl: And it’s weight went down, but the only bad side effect was its eyes were popping out.

Ricky howls with laughter

Ricky: Well, that seems, that seems to be fine, then. Let’s give it to Jono!

Steve chuckles

Ricky: There doesn’t seem to be any problem with that!

Steve: Oh, that’s-that’s, uh, yeah. Rick should get some of that.

Ricky: “Eh struth, doc. Look at these!” “Oh Jesus Jono. Your eyes are popping out. That happened to the mice.” “Sorry?” “That happened to the mice!” What do you mean?

Karl: That’s the option.

Steve: What do you mean, that’s the option?

Ricky: So-so- I love the fact that your choices are either be like a fat, happy man who has the occasional sponge cake, or a stick man with eyes on stalks. I mean, Steve’s chosen that.

Steve: Alright, calm down. I thought we were slagging off Rick Waller, fat people.

Ricky: Sorry mate.

Steve: Let’s have a go at the fat people before we start on me, Rick.

Ricky: Yeah, sorry. I didn’t--

Steve: I mean, it’s like--

Ricky: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Steve: Cause I’ve got some issues, body issues--

Ricky: I know.

Steve: But Rick Waller is grotesque, you know.

Ricky: Yeah. Sorry about that.

Steve: I'm just a little weird. I mean, do you know what I mean?

Ricky: Yeah, let’s play a song and--

Steve: Well, I’m a little bit offended. That’s upsetting. That’s upsetting.

Song: Oasis- Little By Little

Great Honour

Ricky: Vines, “Outta the Way” on XFM 104.9. You’re listening to The Ricky Gervais Show.

Steve: With Steve Merchant and Karl Pilkington.

Ricky: We’ve got to try and get on, though, cause--

Steve: Not enough time for that?

Ricky: No, not enough time. Let’s-let’s bang on. Let’s do some observations, you know.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Some satirical--

Steve: Take a sideways look at the week’s news.

Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve: Who’s the, uh, fattest person you know, Karl? Is it an issue for you? Do you- are you concerned about fat people?

Karl: Only if I’m traveling somewhere and there’s one sat next to ya.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: That can be a bit annoying.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: I mean, I think Ricky pointed out a few months ago- when I, when I went away- we were talking about plane journeys and you were saying how it’s a bit out of order how when you go on holiday, right, you take your suitcase with ya--

Ricky: Ohh.

Steve: Mmm.

Karl: Am I- this is alright.

Ricky: Was I saying this on air, though, is my question. Cause there’s-there's a reason I don’t say things on air sometimes.

Karl: No, no, no. But I think you’ve got a good point. It made me think.

Ricky: Oh, no it’s- I know what it was, yeah.

Steve: Go on.

Ricky: It’s sort of like, if-if you’re not allowed to carry a hand baggage on cause you’re a few pounds overweight, but there’s a bloke behind you that weighs ten stone more than you--

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Surely the whole package should be weighed.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Like you and your baggage--

Steve: Absolutely.

Ricky and Steve talk at the same time

Ricky: So I can, I can take on, uh, a Labrador and a wheel barrow.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: He can take on, um, a towelette.

Steve: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Ricky: To wipe his… brow.

Steve: His sweaty, fatty brow.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: No, I absolutely- Absolutely right.

Ricky: So, uh, yeah.

Steve: And that does wind you up, does it?

Karl: But I don’t- that’s the only time. I mean, people can’t help it. We don’t want to, like, come across as if we’re just having ago at people who’ve got--

Steve: But they can help it! This is what we’re saying.

Ricky: No, but there’s- that’s a little bit--

Steve: But I’m talking about obesity. I’m not talking about people who are overweight or who’ve got a problem with-with eating and so on. I’m talking about people who are obese, because that seems to me to be like an indulgence. I mean--

Ricky: If we’re getting serious, it is a problem, isn’t it? It’s an eating disorder. So, what-what-what’s-what’s terrible is-is laziness and kidding yourself, but people who have- are genuinely got a problem, it’s as genuine a problem as anorexia or--

Steve: But it’s a genuine concern for, apparently, the future of our children, apparently. It genuinely is.

Karl: Yeah.

Steve: Apparently it costs- I was reading some statistic that it costs something like- America, it costs ‘em, like, a hundred and nineteen billion pou-dollars a year or something.

Ricky: But that’s not why people are starving, cause fat people are eating all the food.

Steve: I’m not saying that people are starving cause of fat people!

Ricky: Oh, you mean--

Steve: I’m saying- no, it’s- I’m saying it’s a concern--

Ricky: I thought you meant we’ll soon have kids and they’re hungry cause next door’s ate all the food.

Steve: Nooo.

Ricky: Sorry.

Steve: I just mean that, apparently, because exercise now- people aren’t taking up exercise, kids aren’t taking up exercise, that we will all be obese in years to come. Not all obese, but it’ll be, uh, a big obesity problem.

Ricky: Well I suppose it’s a natural state for the mammals. We crave fat. We literally crave fat for-for hard times, but now, but now there are no hard times--

Steve: We sit in offices, typing away.

Ricky: But-but our body haven’t- hasn’t evolved to take our social input in, so we still act like mammals and we-we eat and we crave it and we like to store fat.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: That’s why we have to go jogging, because we don’t, we don’t hunt, we don’t do anything. So it-it-it’s not really their fault. You- it‘s- I mean, it-it is about will power and, sort of, like, you know, self-hate and all that.

Steve: But in years to come we’ll have, just, pictures of- kids will just have pictures of- they won’t have N*Sync on the wall. It’ll be, like, sumo wrestlers.

Karl: Mmm.

Steve: Or--

Ricky: Oh, uh, you know sumo wrestlers. I saw this thing about sumo wrestlers. Um, because the-the-they-they’re athletes. They go into this thing cause there’s a big honour to be a sumo--

Steve: Really?

Ricky: Yeah, absolutely true. So you go along and you’d be nine stone and you- they-they have doctors there, so you have to eat to get big. Right?

Steve: Right.

Ricky: And this doctor who’s interviewing, this doctor is going, you know, “It-it is against- you’d think it’s against the Hippocratic Oath, um, but, um, whereas they do it anyway, I do it healthily.” So he sells ‘em- he gives ‘em diets of, like, uh, you know, ten pounds of rice, nine pounds of fish and things like that and they get up, right. Now, because it’s such an honour, it’s almost a spiritual thing to be a great Sumo and all that, um, they have apprentices willing to- You know that when you’re a say, um, uh, runner or something, you have to make the coffee and- or when you’re working as an apprentice in a studio, you have to clean the floor and stuff. Do you know what an apprentice Sumo is?

Steve: An apprentice Sumo? Go on.

Ricky: They wipe--

Karl: Hmm.

Ricky: The Sumo wrestler’s ass cause they can’t reach. They literally can’t reach.

Steve: Rubbish!

Ricky: I- right- I- can- we’ll give out the phone number--

Steve: Who’s taking that up as a profession?

Ricky: I know. Imagine that. Um, “I-I’d-I’d love to be a Sumo wrestler. It’s a great honor and I’d love to work under you. Uh--”

Steve: “Sure.”

Ricky: “So, uh--”

Steve: “Sure.”

Ricky: “So, uh, what’ll I do- press-ups first?”

Steve: “There’ll be some press-ups, yeah.”

Ricky: “Okay, yeah. Should I get to the gym now and, uh--”

Steve: “No, don’t- before you rush off--”

Ricky: “Go on. I‘m starving.”

Steve: “I can understand that. Would you mind wiping my arse?”

Ricky: “Right.”

Steve: “Cause I just--”

Ricky: “Can’t reach?”

Steve: “No. Got no- can’t get the arms back there. Can’t get ‘em down there. So- but-but I'll be honest with you; a lot of this oriental food, it doesn’t sit well with me. It goes straight through me, do you realize.”

Ricky: “It’s quite messy.”

Steve: “It’s quite messy down there. It’s quite runny.”

Ricky: “Right. Okay, okay”

Steve: “So be careful. Um--”

Ricky: “Okay.”

Steve: “You want to some gloves- if you want to wear gloves, wear gloves. It's an honour.”

Ricky: “I don’t want to wear gloves. I don’t want to wear gloves.”

Steve: “It’s an honour.”

Ricky: “The apprenticeship is two years, isn’t it?”

Steve: “Now you’re not going to take my feces and sell them, are you, as souvenirs or something?”

Ricky: “No, no, no. I will be mainly getting fat myself--”

Steve: “Sure.”

Ricky: “Wiping your ass--”

Steve: “Yeah.”

Ricky: “Great honour.”

Steve: “Yeah. No, well good.”

Ricky: “Great honour.” If someone could call in and verify that. Look, Karl. Look at Karl looking at us like we’ve just said the worst thing ever.

Steve: This is true, apparently.

Ricky: You’ve said things like, “makes your eyes pop out” and “put Forrest Gump in a wheelie bin”. Don’t look at us like that. This is the- we’re talking cultural science here. And wiping asses.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: So play a record.

Steve: Yeah. It’s low brow and it’s high brow at the same time, Karl.

Ricky giggles

Steve: That’s an incredible picture.

Ricky: Oh, this is for all you people who-who, uh, like the odd cake. This is Bowie and “Sweet Thing”. Did you like that?

Steve: Nice.

Song: David Bowie- Sweet Thing

It's Not Football

Ricky: “Sweet Thing”, David Bowie.

Steve: Beautiful.

Ricky: Amazing. Off of “Diamond Dogs”.

Steve: Absolutely.

Ricky: We went to see him in the week, didn’t we?

Steve: We did, indeed. Yeah, it was a little, exclusive gig that Jonathan Ross gave for us.

Ricky: A hundred people.

Steve: Amazing.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: Lovely to see him.

Ricky: Yeah, lovely to see him again.

Steve: Lovely to see- yeah. See Dave again.

Ricky: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve: Yeah, he’s looking good.

Ricky: He looks great, doesn’t he?

Steve: He does, yeah. Was he bisexual? Sorry, I don’t know why I brought that up.

Ricky: What, sorry, at the gig?

Steve: No, no, no, no. It’s just that I know he’s married now, isn’t he, with a kid and stuff.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: But there was some, there was some sort of--

Ricky: Oh, I think- I, possibly. I don’t know. I wouldn’t wanna--

Steve: These popstars, they dabble with anything, don’t they, I suppose.

Ricky giggles

Steve: Try anything once, don’t they? These rock and roll stars.

Ricky: But, um, yeah. So, uh, if anyone knows the, uh, the-the truth behind--

Steve: But how does Sumo begin? Cause that’s why I can’t- I’ve never understood how it began as a, as a, as a sport. Because it’s- do you know what I mean? Cause they are-are so huge.

Ricky: I reckon it was a fat bloke who was picking on a little skinny bloke and the skinny bloke knew King Fu and Jujitsu. Goes, “Right, let’s fight.” And the fat one, “There’s no punching.”

Steve: Yeah, yeah.

Ricky: He goes, “What do you mean?” “It’s just leaning against each other.”

Steve: Yeah, yeah.

Ricky: And the other one, “Well, you’re bound to win!” And then, “Right, I’ve won.” “Okay.” And that’s how it started and then the fat bloke--

Steve: He grabbed him. “Are you…are you wearing a nappy?” “Well I am pretty big, yeah. I’m having some problems and I can’t wipe my arse.”

Ricky: “I can’t wear a tuxedo. I just can’t.”

Steve: Exactly.

Ricky: “I just, you know, that’s the next step for-” Jono’s been banned wearing a thong in public.

Steve chuckles

Ricky: So--

Steve: But seriously, if anyone knows how Sumo began, I’m genuinely interested. E-mail maybe. [email protected] Uh, just- I-I, you know- Karl, what are your thoughts? Where do you think, uh, where do you think it began? Cause don’t you think it’s an odd sport? I mean, it is a weird--

Karl: They’ve always, like, got nice hair. They seem to care about their hair a bit.

Steve: Sure.

Karl: It’s always sort of nicely pinned back.

Steve: Yeah, yeah.

Ricky: Are you ever asked when-when people are doing, like, you know, uh, um, Schama’s “Britain” or, you know, when people are doing, like, big--

Ricky chuckles

Steve: Historical problems.

Ricky: They say, “Well, we’ll ask Karl about this. He might, he might have an opinion.”

Steve chuckles

Steve: Yeah. I’d like to see you as a pundit, definitely, om those, kind of, on-on “News Night”.

Ricky: Yeah.

Karl: It’s just that- I think it’s a funny one because the whole idea of sports is to keep fit.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: Hmm.

Karl: And that’s, sort of, you know. It’s a bit of an odd one, innit?

Steve: Mmm, mmm.

Ricky: Well, it’s the same as, sort of, like, weight-lifting. You have to go through all that all year to see if you can push up, you know, something heavier than someone else, but you have to walk ‘round in a golf buggy.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky: To-to- for that one--

Steve: Yeah, yeah.

Ricky: And take steroids and--

Karl: Well. I mean, look. The other day, you know- I don’t do much sport. I think living in London, there’s not that many areas you can go and… actually, I’m probably wrong, there.

Steve: Well, there’s all the gyms and sports clubs and stuff.

Karl: Yeah, I’m probably wrong on that bit--

Ricky: And the parks and roads and--

Karl: But look at how excited I was going ‘round to your place, Ricky. You had, like, a little garden.

Ricky: Yeah.

Karl: I haven’t got a garden.

Ricky: We played football, didn’t we?

Karl: We had a little- well. I did.

Ricky: No, you were rubbish. I beat you in penalties, um, five-two and then I beat you on, uh, a knockout, I think, ten-four and then he always makes an excuse. He goes, “No, start again. We didn’t say--” He- I’m cracking up.

Karl: Steve, have you seen Ricky play football?

Steve: No, I’ve not recently.

Karl: It’s not football. It- you sort of do it like, um… it’s like when you get a cat and you chuck it some wool. You, sort of, jump on it and lie on top of it so you can’t get it and then, sort of, kick it with his feet, lying on the floor.

Steve: Really?

Ricky: No, what I mean is he fouled me and I still, I was on--

Steve: Are you sure he didn’t just collapse from all the stress and the exercise?

Ricky laughs

Karl: That’s the other thing. That’s the other thing.

Steve: He just tumbled onto the floor, Stilton pouring out of his mouth.

Ricky laughs

Ricky: I was too strong for him.

Karl: No, no.

Ricky: I was too strong for ya.

Karl: Yeah, but you didn’t last long, did you? It was like if-if football matches--

Ricky: I didn’t want to last long! They just bring me on for the first ten minutes--

Steve: Who suggested that you two play football? Did you suggest this, Ricky?

Ricky: Yeah, we played around, yeah. Have a bit of football in the garden, yeah. What else did we do?

Karl: Uh…

Ricky: Oh--

Karl: Just had a look at your salamander.

Steve chuckles

Steve: Right. Is that a euphemism or--

Ricky laughs

Steve: Cause I know when I first went around to your house you did- you used to show your genitals to people a lot more than you do now. You definitely used to do that. You used to think that was hilarious.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: I don’t know what it is that you get to a certain age, men of a certain ilk get to a certain age. Yeah, when Ross came in, he did the same thing.

Ricky: Yeah.

Steve: It’s that weird--

Ricky: Yeah, I suppose I thought- oh, you’ve seen it now. I thought you’ve seen it, you know. You weren’t, you weren't impressed the first time, to be quite honest, Steve!

Steve chuckles

Steve: I wasn’t, to be quite honest with you.

Ricky: So, uh. Yeah.

Steve: Yeah. No, it’s always nice. Always-always a treat to see it.

Ricky: Yeah. Um--

Steve: What do you make of Ricky’s place? What do you, what do you make of it?

Ricky: Again, that’s not a euphemism. That doesn’t mean that I’ve got- it’s like a flat fish.

Steve: Yeah.

Ricky giggles

Ricky: Do you want to see my place? There it is.

Karl: It’s alright. I mean, I’ve-I’ve--

Steve: You’ve seen better?

Karl: I’ve- the pictures you’ve got on the wall have-have, uh, I’m not-not keen on the same sort of art as you are.

Ricky: Right.

Steve: What sort of art- cause, um, yours is quite, sort of, modern art. Uh--

Karl: It’s got this big, like, bit of, uh--

Ricky: Abstract.

Karl: Canvas with, like, just-just loads of dark colours on it.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: It looks really miserable.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: I’ll be honest with ya, it sort of brings the place down.

Ricky laughs

Karl: If you’re going to sell it, that woman on Channel Five, the House Doctor, if she came around, she’d say, “Take that down and you’ll get double for it.” It’s just, uh, it’s-it’s- I thought it was, um, like a wall or--

Ricky: “Take that down, get that salamander out and just pop those back in your trousers."

Steve chuckles

Steve: Yeah, yeah.

Ricky and Steve giggle

Karl: It was like it didn’t know what sort of colour to use on the wall, so it’s-it’s like they’ve put a little bit on. “No, that’s not good. I’ll use, like, a bit of a darker colour.” And it’s just loads of--

Ricky: Are you, are you Brian Suel cause-cause you’re saying--

Steve: So what kind of art do like? I’m intrigued.

Ricky: Yeah.

Karl: I like, uh--

Ricky: Athena.

Karl: I like Lowry.

Ricky guffaws

Ricky: Lowry! The worst painter in the world. The most overrated--

Karl: No, no, no. You see, it depends! You’re-you're getting excited about your--

Ricky: Rubbish.

Karl: Your stuff you’ve got on. Lowry, right?

Ricky: Yeah.

Karl: You can look at--

Ricky: He really is the Brian and Michael of the--

Karl: No.

Ricky: Go on.

Karl: But it’s real, innit? Right--

Ricky: What do you mean it’s real?

Karl: It's real. You look at his picture and you see, like, little disabled people walking about. You see kids--

Ricky: That’s not real, then.

Karl: Playing with, like, footballs. You’ve got your-your dad coming home from work, working in the factory. Got a little dog barking. It’s-it’s life.

Ricky giggles

Karl: Right? And you can look at it, right, ten minutes. Go away, go and watch telly or something for a bit.

Steve: Yeah.

Karl: Go back to it and you’ll see different things in it.

Ricky: Will ya?

Steve: Is it like one of those with magic eyes?

Ricky: Are you sure that’s not a telly?

Steve: Yeah, you’ve been looking out the window, Karl.

Ricky: Are you sure you weren’t watching “When the Boat Comes In”?

Karl: People will agree with me.

Ricky giggles

Karl: And it’s better than your stuff that you buy.

Ricky laughs

Ricky: This show started off slick--

Steve: Yeah!

Ricky: We had something to say.

Steve: No, I think- what are you talking about? We’re now discussing art!

Ricky: We were, we were taking the mickey out of-of fat people and now--

Steve: And you’ve taken it all high brow, Karl!

Ricky: Play a record. We’ll come back to fatties.

Song: Ash- Envy